Bureaucrash CEI and the youth outreach

Original Post:
Whoa! Bureaucrash is now Youth Outreach at CEI??????Posted by Michael Lowry on May 31, 2009 at 12:55pm

http://copiousdissent.blogspot.com/

I Got a Job at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and Answering Questions
Posted In: YouTube . By Devil’s Advocate
“Please email if you want to build your Resume and get more involved in your Community. I am currently working on Youth Outreach at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Enjoy!!”

Devil’s advocate is our new CiC’s pen name on copious dissent, and Bureaucrash is somehow now youth outreach. How old is this dude? Like, late twenties maybe? Did anyone mention that BCS has members of EVERY age and race?
Tags: blogs, bureaucrash, copious, dissent, doren, lee, youth

Comment by Lee Doren
No, it is just that my audience on HTWW doesn’t know about BureauCrash yet.

Comment by Michael Lowry
Then you are misleading them sir.

Comment by Rev Lentil
I just posted about this as well. This is another example of the way establishment “libertarians” treat the more principled libertarians.

Comment by Chase
Is your audience all young people Mr. Doren? Because from what I heard you said a few younger – high school, college, and graduate – people had been getting in contact with you.
Also, why dismiss the youth who are already here?

Comment by Cord Blomquist
I’m no longer working for CEI or Bureaucrash, so I haven’t met Lee in-person, but I think we ought to give Lee a chance to get used to the community here and figure out what Bureaucrash is all about. He was hired because he’s dedicated to liberty and limited government and because he’s a good organizer.

Bureaucrash merged with the Competitive Enterprise Institute years ago and Bureaucrash’s focus has historically been “youth outreach,” which is how folks at CEI still talk about the group, so Lee was just repeating what I used to hear around the office all the time.

Once Lee has a chance to meet more people here, he’ll see how much Bureaucrash has grown–a lot of it in only the last eight months since Pete and I started Bureaucrash Social.

And remember, Bureaucrash still finds a lot of its strength in young people who have the time to organize and fight back against government power, so it still has a very young feel. I don’t want to discount the awesome contributions from those who might no longer consider themselves “youths” either as Bureaucrash gets such great contributions to the network from people of all ages.

Anyway, I hope y’all can help me help Lee to see what Bureaucrash is all about, what the community wants to do over the next months and next year, and how we can continue taking the message of liberty to the streets where people really need to hear it.

Comment by Rev Lentil
@Cord
A good organizer researched before he opens his mouth (or in this case types a sentence). Between Doren’s left-baiting and blog roll, it’s obvious where he comes from. My question remains, why wouldn’t CEI hire a libertarian for the position of Crasher in Chief? Why hire someone is prefers Limbaugh and Malkin to no government?

That’s kind of you to support Doren, but he really should have looked into the group he was leading before he introduced himself. I would suggest that he read Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals,” but he probably wouldn’t be able to get past the fact that Alinsky was on the left.

Comment by Michael Lowry
Hmm, looks like lee was moderating comments on my blog. Or somebody was! That’s really other-than-kosher.

Comment by Xaq Fixx

@Cord, Your comments are not in line with Lee’s statements. I am sure you made them in good faith, but you are mistaken.
He referred to BC as CEI’s youth outreach because he did not want to mention BC by name. He wanted to check things out before ‘his followers’ came over and we (the current users) ‘become a minority.’ He wanted to sanitize Bureaucrash before ‘his followers’ made the move because he could not endorse a site that allowed certain content (advocacy of Non-Voting, drug use or any 9/11 conspiracy stuff). These are his claims, not mine.

He is clearly not dedicated to liberty. Advocacy of a global nuclear superpower, the use of torture, and an interventionist foreign policy simply cannot be considered pro-liberty stances. Censoring this site and limiting what form of pro-liberty activism can be carried out under the BC banner are not the acts of a pro-liberty person.

I don’t think anyone was bothered by the thought of classifying BC as youth outreach, I certainly wasn’t. There was concern about stripping away any autonomy the BC may have (or appeared to have) had. His not mentioning the Bureaucrash Brand by name was taken by many as a slight against the work individuals have put in for Bureaucrash both before and during CEI’s involvement.

Finally you are asking for our help and patience in teaching Mr. Doren what Bureaucrash is all about. However, it seems the same was not asked of him. He did not take time to get to know the organization or think about the way he worded his bio. He said he held disdain for anarchy and anarchists from the very beginning. He avoided questions, or answered them like a politician when honesty was critical. He spoke to the group, and to me, with a condescending attitude. Before asking us to change for him, please consider what he needs to do to be an effective guide and member of the Bureaucrash community.

Yours in Liberty,
Xaq Fixx

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