Archive for Lee doren

BANNED FROM BUREAUCRASH SOCIAL!!!!

Posted in Action items, Statist role call, To Punish & Enslave with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on September 5, 2009 by The New Activist

Wow, so, I was banned from Bureaucrash! AWESOME! I assume it was for the somewhat critical blog I posted of lee doren and the subsequent lack of growth that I’ve seen on the site.  Apparently, Lee didn’t take too kindly to that one. Maybe I was too critical, IDK. But Lee still never answered what happened to my fr33agents group on the Bureaucrash website, which just up-and-disappeared one day. He says he has no idea what happened.

I WAS BANNED! Holy schnitzel! I think thats the first time I’ve ever been banned from, uhm, anywhere, especially online! It’s not like I called anyone any names, or made any threats. I just asked why lee hadn’t made good on his promise to attract a thousand new members just by mentioning Bureaucrash on his youtube channel. Oh, I did however, state that the dude had some hubris, which is a statement I stand by.

FR33AGENT founding member Mike Lowry BANNED from Bureaucrash social.

FR33AGENT founding member Mike Lowry BANNED from Bureaucrash social.

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Our favorite lee doren quotes!

Posted in Action items with tags , , , , , on June 18, 2009 by The New Activist

Compiled by Noor (hernoor08 at gmail dot com)

“The fact that the government violates its own laws doesn’t change the fact that it is my government”

“The world that we live in is ruled by force
I just happen to want the force to be in the hands of the best of the worst people”

“The ONLY reason why certain civilizations have stayed in existense was because of might”

“You should accept that might makes right…and that is why we have a government”

“Since America has the most powerful military we are in control”

“I’m willing to have America as the most powerful Nation”

“The government is there to protect life liberty and property”

“What happens next after freedom?”

“Of course I state it over and over…because I have followed history and limited government is necessary”

“The fact that limited govenrment expanded ignored what life was life before govenrment, if you didn’t have a strong government….that is how you became a REAL slave”

“Did I like McCain….no. Did I vote for him over Obama yes.”

“Terrible…McCain’s explaination for the financial collapse was greed”

“Look, you cannot support the Free Market and ignore the concept of trade-offs”

“Look, you’re welcome to dream about a fantasy world that doesn’t exist and base your life on a fantasy, but the world exists as such that the strong win, and it might as well be us”

“My first choice would have been Fred Thompson” [on his pick for 2008 GOP primary]

“I’m sure I define self defense more broadly than most of you”

“Geneva Convensions don’t apply to people w/out unforms”

“i support paying taxes”

“If I can remember, Gogulski I think renounced his US citizenship and declared it as the new manifesto.. in hindsight I should have waited, which is why I stopped everything Friday night which prevented an explanation
No, but renunciation I thought at the time was implicitly going to make it impossible for people to be politically active” [when asked why Gogulski was banned]

“We need to accept that means that Atheists are not longer going to be able to get married”

“I’m for a Constitutional Republic. Utopia doesn’t exist.” [when asked about anarchy]

“I’m for dp for all murderers” [dp = death penalty]

“Mitt Romney.” [stated in response to the question “Who did you vote for in the 2008 Republican Primary?”]

“Since Dec., not one Republican had any power to do anything” [when asked why doesn’t he attack Republicans on HTWW]

“”The truth of the matter is that many of you have nothing better to do and find this a game….in fact, I question your devotion to liberty if there is nothing more important in the world in your eyes than me”

“Why wasn’t this guy shot?” [referring to the Iraqi journalist who expressed his political opinion by throwing his shoes at Bush]

“But, we really need to start to focus on goals
I haven’t heard any of them since I’ve been here
It has all been about going to drinking parties” [referring to Bureaucrash Social]

“Maybe… 10?” [answering the question “how many countries should the US military be in?”]

“Not yet” [on abolishing the FED]

“I’m not sure”/”I have no particular opinion” [on whether US military budget should be reduced]

“I think the government should be in charge of reasonable environmental regulations” – Youtube video

“I removed 9/11 truth stuff” [from BCS]

“I want America to have as many nukes as possible because I want America to be stronger than everyone else in the world.” – Youtube video

“I thought at the time that members who encouraged the renunciation of the United States would make it impossible to have a grassroots movement”

“I don’t find them arbitrary…people died to have those boundaries” [when asked, “what makes the arbitrary political boundaries that define states any more relevant or legitimate than nation-state boundaries?”]

“When we invaded several of the W. Pacific islands, we realized that we were dealing with a death cult…the Japanese soldiers were on suicide missions
In order to end the war we had to defeat Japan
Japan was training their 9-year-olds and women on the mainland to fight with bamboo sticks to the death if we invaded
Even after Stalin attacked Japan, Japan didn’t surrender
We were planning X-day—to invade all of Japan
That meant in order for us to win the War, would have to have killed every man woman and child we saw
So we dropped the first bomb—and they still didn’t surrender
We dropped the 2nd and they did
That saved millions and millions of Japanese lives
It was total Japaneses War where we literally invade and kill every man woman and child or drop two nukes
Surrender was the third option
I choice the Nukes” [when asked if he supported nuking]

“I have anarchist fans that love my stuff on YouTube”

“People were going to be upset no matter who took the position” [of Crasher-in-Chief of Bureaucrash]

“The government is at an all-time power control in this country
and we need to get to first place first”

For those who do not know, Lee Doren is the new leader for Bureaucrash as controlled by CEI, these are quotes from him, compiled from chats, blog/forum posts, and a letter to members of Bureaucrash social.

If these quotes worry you like they do me, check out http://www.fr33agents.com

REPOST! ADD YOUR INPUT HERE (BUT NOT REALLY HERE)

Posted in Uncategorized with tags , , , , , , , , on June 8, 2009 by The New Activist

ADD YOUR INPUT HERE!
Through actions taken by those of questionable dedication to the ideas of liberty, we libertarians have had what many of us considered our home — Bureaucrash Social — usurped. The reaction to this Statist coup was swift and united and the risks associated with staying at the site — that ultimately, it is controlled by those willing to use the force of the State (the political process) to accomplish their ends — is all too apparent.
Unsurprisingly, options of how to best move forward have been discussed across many sites and mediums, evidence of our dedicaiton, entrepreneurship and abilities, underscoring what we know — that freedom cannot be entrusted to authority, to a centralized body.
In that vein, we are seeking your input in order to build a more-powerful community where there is no central authority. No one gatekeeper with the power to approve or disapprove of content and ideas they deem questionable or dangerous to their corporate donors. Like Bureaucrash Social was, our new home will be a place where we can learn from each other, build life-long friendships and advance the voluntary society.

Please let us know what idea(s) you have on what this new site should be named by leaving a comment on this post. Please take into consideration that our new community will serve as a home for us radical libertarians and a place for us to introduce these ideas to others.
Timeline:

* Monday – soliciation for new website name/brand as comments to this post

* Tuesday, midnight EST – comments will be closed

* Wednesday, noon EST – name/brands submitted will be placed on a poll on this website

* Friday, noon EST – poll closes

* Friday, midnight EST – new site launches

Be on the lookout!

Posted in Action items, Getting it all together, Tools for activism with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on June 6, 2009 by The New Activist

I’ve heard rumors of good things coming our (bureaucrash survivors) way. Stay tuned here and to other sites (such as anarch.me, fr33agents.com, and the motorhome diaries) for updates on these developments.

Bureaucrash, CEI, Lee Doren, and the fiasco

Posted in Action items, Tools for activism with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on June 1, 2009 by The New Activist

The following are the NOOR chronicles on the events of the past few nights with the New Bureaucrash CiC. Suffice it to say, he seems neoconish, at best. By the way, Noor compiled these, hence the title noor chronicles.

I’ll update this as much as possible, but for the original stuff from noor check it out here

Peace and liberty,
The New Activist

P.S. Upset about Bureaucrash Social? Check out anarch.me

May 30, 2009

8:31 pm – I got an email from the Xaq Fixx group on BCS, which had this content:
“A message from Xaq Fixx to all members of I support Xaq Fixx for Crasher-In-Chief on Bureaucrash Social!

Bureaucrash has announced their new CiC. I appreciate your support in my quest to carry on Pete and Jason’s vision as Crasher in Chief but CEI has decided it was not meant to be.
Thanks,
Xaq”

Going through the Lee Doren introductory blog post, which explained his linkages to right-wing and conservative sites, including “Hot Air, Michelle Malkin, Instapundit, Gateway Pundit, Pajamas Media, Right Wing News, Ace of Spades, NewsBusters and Rush Limbaugh’s top headlines.”

8:35 pm – The link to Lee Doren’s intro blog post on Bureaucrash (http://bureaucrash.com/2009/05/29/meet-lee-doren/
) was linked to in the Skype chatroom.

Everyone in the Skype chat was shocked at the idea of this kind of pro-state right-winger being the Crasher-in-Chief of an anti-state organization, and within a few moments of browsing through his posts many of us were talking about taking action against this. We also noticed the changes in the Bureaucrash website, including the removal of the Political Affiliation profile question which had all libertarian and anarchist options.

around 9 pm – We also found out that Lee Doren was a fan of the fair tax, and in the discussion that he started (http://social.bureaucrash.com/forum/topics/please-leave-your-input-below) he kept answering questions with one-line answers such as this.

Reply by Leo_the_Magnificent
“Well, what do you normally categorize yourself as, id est, libertarian, objectivist, classical liberal, et cetera?”
Reply by Lee Doren
“I’m perceived differently to different people depending who I am with.”
Reply by Leo_the_Magnificent
“XD I think most libertarians are, but I believe you are at least a minarchist of some form or another. Though mere perceptions are not necessarily the truth; for instance, I could categorize you as a Marxist based on my perception, but that doesn’t say anything about the truth of the matter of what you are.”
Reply by Lee Doren
“Well, I’ll let you watch my videos and decide for yourself.”

While some of us went into the Bureaucrash Social chatroom to watch the ongoing discussion, we were posting replies to the topic.

“Reply by Neal ‘Jiutai’ Conner
Sounds like an answer a politician would give, Lee.
Reply by Lee Doren 19 hours ago
Lol.”

I posted a link to Lee’s introduction on my Facebook profile with a comment “Wtf, a terrible choice on several levels if you ask me.” and soon after three people “liked” it including my disapproval, including Jason Talley. Ryan Maddox and Neal Conner commented on my link expressing their outright disapproval of the CEI’s decision also while we were all talking on Skype, and some of us joined the Xaq Fixx supporters group on BCS. I also got a tweet from an agorist friend saying that he deleted his Bureaucrash account, and at that point some of us were also considering doing so.

Then we spent a while on Skype discussing, commenting on, and planning posts with commentary and questions for Doren on the input thread, and analyzing his responses to us. When Aaron Kinney and I posted similar questions to him asking him whether he thought anarchy, which was the ultimate goal of a lot of crashers, was viable, he responded to both of us with the same line “I’m for a Constitutional Republic. Utopia doesn’t exist.”

Most of us were fairly sure we would move over to anarch.me and other similar sites, if Bureaucrash was not going to change, especially after Doren posted this – “Well, I’m not going to be promoting Anarchy, if that is what you’re hoping for. I will be promoting limited government, however.”

All this time we had been debating him in the Bureaucrash chatroom as well, and here is a short list of quotes from him over the 2-3 hours of “debating.”

“The fact that the government violates its own laws doesn’t change the fact that it is my government”

“The world that we live in is ruled by force
I just happen to want the force to be in the hands of the best of the worst people”

“The ONLY reason why certain civilizations have stayed in existense was because of might”

“You should accept that might makes right…and that is why we have a government”

“Since America has the most powerful military we are in control”

“I’m willing to have America as the most powerful Nation”

“The government is there to protect life liberty and property”

“What happens next after freedom?”

“Of course I state it over and over…because I have followed history and limited government is necessary”

“The fact that limited govenrment expanded ignored what life was life before govenrment, if you didn’t have a strong government….that is how you became a REAL slave”

“Did I like McCain….no. Did I vote for him over Obama yes.”

“Terrible…McCain’s explaination for the financial collapse was greed”

“Look, you cannot support the Free Market and ignore the concept of trade-offs”

“Look, you’re welcome to dream about a fantasy world that doesn’t exist and base your life on a fantasy, but the world exists as such that the strong win, and it might as well be us”

Most of the above was compiled by Ryan Maddox. We tried to get the whole chatlog, but it wasn’t possible to copypaste everything in the Ning chatroom due to its structure. Several anarchists were arguing against him, while he insisted that we all “really need to read Bastiat”, was arguing for a “government exists, accept it” kind of perspective.

I saw Jason Talley’s Facebook/Twitter link to the Input thread on BCS, and commented for anyone interested that there was a discussion going on in the BCS chat. On Skype some of us were half-jokingly talking about taking over and planning a coup d’etat on Bureaucrash, but we realized it was up to the CEI, and that if it was not going to change, we would be gone. We also asked some of the anarchists arguing Lee in the BCS chatroom to join us on Skype, so over the course of the night new people were being constantly added in the room.

After a while, Lee Doren disappeared from the BCS chat, so it devolved into a discussion of random topics, but some crashers were responding to the Input thread expressing their disagreement with the decision.

Aaron Kinney asked us for links to libertarian/anarchist/agorist blogs, and posted a list of them (along with North Korea’s twitter, as a joke) to Doren’s request for blogs for the new Bureaucrash blogroll, which was infiltrated with Malkin and other heavily right-wing and Republican resources.

In a while of Skype as a break, some of us were talking about Bob Barr’s moustache, and we ended up creating groups on Facebook and BCS with the title ” I like Bob Barr’s ‘stache more than his political views.” for the lulz.

We then talked about creating a group or Facebook cause against Lee Doren, posting the list of quotes from him and everything else that supported our beliefs that this was not the proper person to be running a libertarian/anarchist organization, but we decided to wait a few days before doing so, so we could wait and see what he had planned for BCS.

Mike Gogulski then told Leo and I that he had apparently been banned or deleted from BCS over Twitter, and that it could possibly be for spamming around with links to his NLM audio recording, but many of us suspected that was not so. Regardless, after discussing a little with him I created a topic asking about this, and demanding an explanation (http://social.bureaucrash.com/forum/topics/mike-gogulski-banneddeleted). Ryan Maddox also created a topic (http://social.bureaucrash.com/forum/topics/is-bureaucrash-social-going), which got responses expressing dissatisfaction.

After I added Mike into the Skype chatroom, it evolved into them discussing it again for the next several hours. After a failed attempt at going to sleep a couple hours ago, I was suddenly overwhelmed with sleepiness at 8:30 am, and I crashed (excuse the pun) until 4 pm, and I woke up with 38 new emailed notifications, hundreds of new Skype messages, messages, and new posts all over, not one of them supporting the change.

The Skype discussion was still going on with many instrumental people being recently added, and the primary topic was again to somehow take action against this, and in about an hour there was a BCS group “Countering the Crasher-in-Chief” (http://social.bureaucrash.com/group/counteringthecrasherinchief), with a long message from the founder, Daniel Patrick, reinstating what so many of us had been talking about all night and day.

Many users have suggested checking out the site anarch.me

In a while, the “Please leave your input” thread by Lee Doren where almost all the posts expressed disapproval and questioning, had been deleted. Some of the members started uploading agorist and radical videos, and Daniel Patrick got us a screenshot of the chatroom where Lee Doren admitted that he “removed 9/11 truth stuff.” In a few minutes, Lee Doren’s intro blog post on the main BC site had also been removed.